New York & Nashville: How the Songwriting Centers Differ

As a transplanted songwriter from Nashville to New York City, I’ve had the chance to observe, up close, the approaches to songwriting and the songwriting communities in both cities. While there are, of course, many similarities, there are also quite a few differences. Please keep in mind that these observations are my impressions, not hard facts.
By Cliff Goldmacher
Differences within the Similarities
I’ll start with a similarity between New York and Nashville and then explain how, within that similarity, one city differs from the other. One of the first similarities is that both cities have huge songwriting populations. The depth and breadth of talent in both places encompass many more genres that the obvious country music for Nashville and pop and rock music for New York. There are great pop writers in the suburbs of Nashville and extremely accomplished country songwriters living in Greenwich Village.
Finding the Songwriters
One difference between the two songwriting communities is how easy they are to locate. Because Nashville’s artistic community is predominantly made up of singers, songwriters and musicians, it’s much easier to find the music/songwriting community there. New York, on the other hand, has a wonderful songwriter population, but it’s mixed in with the countless other artists and creative types that live there and is thus less obvious. In other words, it takes a little more effort to find the songwriters in New York, but believe me, they’re there.
Before moving from Nashville to New York, I’d taken several writing trips a year up to New York and, by a process of trial and error, found a core group of NYC songwriters that became my go-to people on every trip. This way, when I eventually moved to New York, I felt like I was instantly part of the community even though I had to discover it little by little. I highly recommend this approach for anyone considering a move to New York, as it eases the transition and makes the entire process much less overwhelming.
Co-writing
Although both New York and Nashville have large numbers of songwriters, co-writing is much more a part of the day-to-day routine in Nashville. It’s not unusual for a Nashville writer to have five co-writing appointments in a week where they meet with a different co-writer every day in a publishing company office on Music Row. This happens for several reasons.
First of all, as a hired staff songwriter for a Nashville publishing company, you are given a yearly quota of songs that you need to fulfill. The more songs you write, the more quickly you’ll fulfill your quota. Publishers make a real effort to connect songwriters they think will work well together and go as far as to set up co-writing appointments for their writers. As a result, it’s fairly common in Nashville to be set up on a “blind date” co-write.
Secondly, even though you’re only credited with half a song for a co-write, it’s easier to motivate yourself to write if you’ve got someone to collaborate with. The act of scheduling appointments and being expected to show up significantly eases the stress of having to create on a schedule.
This approach seems odd to a lot of New York writers who are either artists themselves and used to writing with their own bands or are songwriters used to working with artists whose schedules are much less predictable.
Lyrics
Staying with the generality that you’re writing country in Nashville and pop or rock in New York, I’ve noticed that the rules of lyric-writing between these genres and cities differ significantly.
In Nashville, the story is king. This means that the lyric has to make perfect sense, the images are concrete and the story has a logical flow from beginning to end. There’s not a lot of room for poetic, impressionistic lyrics that don’t have the arc of a story. New York, on the other hand, while it certainly has its share of great songwriter/storytellers, has a broader tolerance in its pop and rock genres for words that “feel” and “sound” good together.
Please don’t misunderstand. It takes just as much skill to write a great pop lyric where the words convey the emotion of the song and carry the nuances of the melody as it does to write a great story in a country song, but it’s a different skill set. I’ve found that switching from one approach to the other can be creatively liberating and quite a bit of fun. Also, it’s interesting to see how one city’s lyrical approach can bleed into the other’s. In this way, you can end up with country lyrics where the words in the story sound good next to each other or pop lyrics with the arc of a story to them.
Labels
Speaking of artists, another similarity in the two cities is that they are both home to major record labels and their signed artists. This alone attracts a huge number of songwriters to both cities. The difference here is that country music artists are still largely dependent upon outside songs for their projects. In New York, bands tend to write their own material and it is less common for these artists to go looking for outside songs. Occasionally songwriters will be paired with these bands/artists in New York allowing the writers to end up with cuts on these acts. Of course, all of these distinctions are lessening as more country artists write and co-write their albums as well.
You Can’t Lose
At the end of the day, both communities are great places to work and create. Ironically, after living in Nashville, working as a staff songwriter and writing for the country market for 12 years, my first cut was with a New York writer and was recorded by an Irish tenor on Universal Records named Ronan Tynan. In my opinion, it was the blend of our New York and Nashville songwriting sensibilities that came together to create that song. What I mean by this is that somewhere between the soaring melody more suited to pop and the lyric that had more of a country attention to detail, we came up with a classical crossover song. So, if you’re a Nashville writer thinking about working in New York (or vice versa) I’d highly recommend it. Sometimes it’s the differences that create the best art.
Cliff Goldmacher is a songwriter, producer, engineer and the owner of recording studios in both Nashville and New York City. Cliff is also a regular contributor to EQ Magazine and Pro Sound News. He can be reached at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
Posted Apr 27, 2009
Member Comments
Very good, I live in Oklahoma and it is hard to find co-writers I would like to see an artical on this,
What we need to learn is how supportive the clubs are by comparison between Na$hville and NYC. The sheer force of numbers should convince some that
NYC has more studios, venues, universities
etc to explore in a truly concentrated area. Cliff’s exploration is a good start and his experience makes for some interesting observations.
Are there any singers out there looking for song writers including recorded demos? If so, contact:
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Very well put. I’m going to agree that there can be the most intriguing sound that comes from those that cross the two worlds.
Cliff,
Very good article! As a singer/songwriter, I make my treks to Nashville every year to present my works to publishers I already have relationships with for possible publishing deals. Although I always get very positive feedback, there have been two publishers in particular who feel I should co-write with some writers in Nashville. That being said, I’m not used to the co-writing world, and honestly really don’t know how to effectively approach it. How does one take their own work, which they’ve written from within themselves, and allow someone else to say ‘change this, keep that’? Has anyone ever not liked their co-writing experience? How do you express that to the other writer?
My goal this year is to possibly hook up with some Nashville writers on a few co-writing projects, but what’s the first step?
Again, great article.
Orlando Luckey
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What about Memphis to Nashville?I’ll let you know in a few weeks.Jeremiah Tucker
DUSTIN:
The price you pay for getting a “Music Row Pro” to “co-write” ( read INDUSTRY FORMULA ) is a mighty thick hide and a solid dose of reality when it comes to “what works”.
Humility and the learning curve.
Great information. I am currently in this dilemma and I live in neither place. I am looking to move and this has help narrow down to a decision.
Hi- I moved to Nashville and was represented by one of the song plugging agencies. It is a tough situation right now because all the majors are feeling the squeeze, music row has shrunk more than my hairline, and the home studio revolution has put many of the old demo houses on the brink.The business is evolving and those that are talented, media savvy,strong work ethic, and some friends have a chance to make it. I am currently searching for some co writers with connections. Stop by my web link. I did most out of my home studio and paid for performances from hired guns. Drop a line and say hello. I’d love to hear from you-Bobby Ray