Copyright question

 
       
 
Jul 21, 2012, 05:20 PM

I have been searching for a cheap copyright alternative to The Library of Congress and have came across this website: http://www.intelloc.com/index.html

Will someone take a gander at it and see if they are legitimate?

Thanks!
Chris

 
     
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Jul 21, 2012, 05:28 PM

Nevermind, Intelloc is actually $10 bucks a month. I figure I will copyright songs on a quarterly basis and save money that way.

 
     
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Jul 21, 2012, 11:12 PM

The ‘registration’ form with its long, official-looking number will probably not get you into federal court where infringement of copyright cases are heard under federal law. ONLY registration with http://www.copyright.gov will give you the ‘Registration’ with the federal Register of Copyrights. ONLY that registration, to my knowledge, will give you the right to file an infringement suit. A lawyer may take your money and come back later to tell you that. Or, an honest lawyer will tell you up front, that without a registration with the federal Register of Copyrights he cannot get your case on the docket in federal court. A federal judge will not allow it.

It is conceivable that this company has found legal loopholes in 164 countries that enable it to offer this ‘protection’ and ‘registration’ and still get into federal court if your rights are infringed. Most reputable countries are party to the Bern Convention, respecting each others’ copyright laws. But I’d be sorely, sadly disappointed to find out someone stole my work and was making money and I couldn’t even get a hearing because I failed to register with the appropriate entity in my country. You could register after you found out you’d been robbed, but they may have already registered and you’d have to prove ‘access’, that they had access to your work and stole it. If they registered it and you’re not sure how they got it, or even if you had some idea of how, how would you prove it in court? It could get very risky, and more expensive than you can afford, if you can’t afford a registration fee.

Without a registration you also cannot recover attorney’s fees, a great disincentive for a lawyer to take your case. Again, a lawyer may take you money up front and talk a good game about how he’s going to fight for your rights, and come back later and explain all this to you with a sincere apology that he spent all your money finding it out.

I only know one way to register your ‘right’ to ‘copy’ your intellectual property; http://www.copyright.gov

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Jul 21, 2012, 11:43 PM

Thanks for the fast and thorough reply. When you copyright your work do you do th one song at a
Time or do you bulk upload songs monthly or quarterly? I would like to know how you do it or your recommendations. I don’t have a lot of song to my name yet but one day I will and would like to start off on the right foot.

Thank you for your thoughts!

 
     
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Jul 22, 2012, 02:24 AM

Back when the world was young I registered a co-write, “Your Special Lady”. The fee was $20. My co-writer was sending the song out into the world and I wanted to protect it.

Then I began to play more live shows, house parties, and busk on the streets of Athens, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, Chillicothe, Ohio, Portsmouth, Ohio, Ashland, Kentucky, Parkersburg, West Virginia, Marietta, Ohio, Nelsonville, Ohio. Lots of exposure. Lots of people with electronic devices that could capture video and audio. When I knew they were recording I tried to play cover songs. But you don’t always know you’re being recorded. The devices are somewhat discreet if the user chooses to make them so. My songs were out there, and needed protection.

Somewhere I learned that I could register many songs at once, for one fee, by calling it ‘a collection’. “Out of the Woodwork; a collection of songs by Gary E. Andrews”, as I recall, had 32 songs. “Out of the Woodwork II” had at least as many, as did III, IV, and V. So I embarked on a grueling task of tape recording them (when that was the easiest mode) and typing up lyric and chord sheets to accompany them. I have 167 songs registered, with an investment of less than $200 (probably). I think the fee increased to $35, then to $45, and may be higher now.

You can learn a lot at http://www.copyright.gov There are pdf downloads there to study.

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Jul 31, 2012, 06:25 PM

does anyone know of this free copyrite site called Myows??

 
     
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Jul 31, 2012, 10:58 PM

Nothing that I read says http://www.myows.com registers your work for copyright.

If you do not have a registration with the Register of Copyrights of the Library of Congress, nothing that myows offers will get you into federal court to defend yourself against an alleged infringement.

If you DO have a registration with the LOC, myows offers further evidence of your date of your claim to copyright, and the ‘fixed form’ in which you placed it with myows.

You would still have to prove the accused party had access to your work, enabling them to steal it.

ONLY registration with the LOC will give you the legal standing to bring suit in federal court where federal copyright law is heard.

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Aug 01, 2012, 02:58 AM

gary;
what about the fact that you can prove publishing here on this site by date and time

 
     
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Aug 01, 2012, 07:11 AM

> what about the fact that you can prove publishing here on this site by date and time <

that is valid - and sufficient! - in most countries of the world, EXCEPT the US. If you need to sue in the US (with regard to a US based creation - weird, but that’s how it is) you should/must(?) have your work registered: “You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work.” (cited from: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#register).

Better not live in the US ;-)

Bernd
good lyricist, mediocre songwriter, lousy musician;
likes rock, writes for anybody anyway
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Aug 01, 2012, 11:59 AM

Yes, in the USA, without registration with the LOC, you can stand on any street corner and shout about your proof. But you can’t get a hearing in federal court where your ‘proof’ will be seen and heard. If the thieves are clever, and they are, they’ll register the copyright and they’ll have the legal advantage.

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Jan 12, 2018, 09:47 PM

Trying to get a handle on this copyright thing, think I’m finally getting the hang of it now. Basically, once you write a song down, you own it but best to have it registered with copyright.gov, etc., to protect in the future.

 
     
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Jan 13, 2018, 01:50 AM

As soon as it exists in ‘fixed form’, written on paper, recorded in re-playable medium, the ‘right’ to ‘copy’ is bestowed by law on the creator. Nobody has seen or heard it but you. But your ‘right’ is ‘bestowed’, ‘granted’, by law.

It’s like gasoline you pumped into your tank, paid for, and drove away with. Now, you have to keep it there. You need a locking gas cap, maybe a secure place to park your car. Thieves can get it if you don’t protect it. They have to want it pretty badly to go to those lengths to get it, but some are that desperate and will do it. With the fixed form and the legal bestowal of your right you’re still vulnerable. And, since a Song can earn a fortune, some are desperate enough to steal it.

Registration with http://www.copyright.gov is that protection. The site can give you a minimum education. A lawyer with Entertainment Law experience may be necessary if you find yourself in conflict over ownership of the copyright.

Unlike gasoline, which you can’t put your name on, can’t identify as yours if found in the possession of a thief, a Copyright Registration is a formal designation as your intellectual property, with a Registration Number assigned as of the date received by the Register of Copyrights, Library of Congress.

If you go to the site you should find somewhere the information that ONLY a Registration will enable you to file an infringement suit and get a hearing in federal court.

You can also find the cost of Registration.

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