This is fascinating…

 
       
 
Sep 16, 2017, 07:44 AM

If you write music or lyrics, take a listen to this doco…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=268&v=oVME_l4IwII

https://soundcloud.com/jennystokes-nz
http://www.evansandstokes.com

“One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain”
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Sep 16, 2017, 08:26 AM

Enlightening, isn’t it? Not exactly motivating, though ;-)

Thanks for sharing the link!

Bernd
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likes rock, writes for anybody anyway
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Sep 16, 2017, 08:41 AM

I see it as a call to arms. We can roll over and be forced to follow or we can fight the formula.

https://soundcloud.com/jennystokes-nz
http://www.evansandstokes.com

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Sep 16, 2017, 10:00 AM

Exactly. Just write. Write Songs. Hopefully, good Songs.

There are lots of facts in the video; but there are also some allegations that may not be factual. And, even the facts may not be the whole story.

Forces at the top are pulling music up to make a profit. Their motive may be all or mostly money, some a little appreciation for art. So they have a perception of criteria they think will make profit. With any Song they encounter they’re applying that criteria to see if the Song’s got the right stuff. Or, can their ‘doctor’ use their skills to add the right stuff, rewriting, arranging the instrumental accompaniment and backup singers, compression, gimmicks, promotion, to make it profitable? That all IS what it IS.

But YOU can only write good Songs. You can add compression. It’s a technical application. But all the gimmicks can’t make ME (personally, just me) buy your product. Or theirs. For all their ‘engineering’ of these hits, profitable product in the marketplace, mostly promoting the singers in their live tours, they aren’t getting MY money. Those Songs are fine in their place, but I’m not a consumer for those products, recorded or live. And I’m probably representative of, if not a majority, a substantial number of potential consumers. They’ve cornered that market, the Pop Song ‘buyers’. But the market is more diverse. There’s money to be made without formula writing and production, even without the powerful distribution and promotion they employ.

Just write Songs. Write good Songs. And take them to YOUR market, whatever, wherever that is.

There will always be another song to be written. Someone will write it. Why not you? http://www.garyeandrews.com

 
     
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Sep 16, 2017, 11:25 AM

Right on, Gary! (or should that be write on?) There are niches everywhere big enough to allow talented musicians and groups to make a living, even if they don’t become household names or even known outside of their niche. In my area there are many very talented bluegrass and country (the real kind) performers, who have substantial followings.

Having said that, the video is absolutely right about the generation who grew up with this awful crap. They have indeed been brainwashed. I saw it with my daughters. What I have also seen though is that as they get older, there is just a glimmer of a suggestion that they might become interested in real music. There is hope.

And, as always, unless you are backed by a million dollar promotional machine, you have a better chance of “making it” by doing something different, standing out from the crowd, breaking the mold rather than trying to squeeze yourself into it.

 
     
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Sep 30, 2017, 11:26 PM

This was an interesting thread.I thought it would be a good idea to comment and have others see it also.

” I’m just a guy with a Guitar”
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Dec 07, 2017, 04:52 PM

Everything has at least one system, a way to reach a target but… luckily the art of writing songs depends on the emotion of that moment, without thinking the lyrics and the song can be or not commercial. Of course my point of vue is this of a… dreamer?
Surely the producers and all the music industry could change their repeated system but actually the entertainment industry, (and we can check this looking at the kind of films the cinema industry is offering) they only want “products”, not artists with their personnal style, their difference.
When I listen to some songs of the today I can’t repeat the melody, the songs are made with a lot of parts of other songs… They sound the same, except for some great exceptions.
Sure I am not smart doing my own music as I do but I can’t help to continue doing… me.
Thank you for sharing the vid, it is very interesting, really.
A few weeks ago I found another vid talking of the chords of famous songs… And they are the same…
Mora

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Dec 07, 2017, 11:13 PM

Fascinating indeed Jen! thanks for sharing!

the whole “millennial whoop” thing doesn’t really seem that new to me. kind of a repackaged off shoot of Doo-### and other pop music from the 50’s 60’s..

but the rest of the vid, totally right on.

“dumbing down the masses!” 

kind of pulls the curtain back a bit doesn’t it? :O

 
     
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