(Video) We Survived our SECOND Show!

 
       
 
Apr 01, 2018, 11:54 PM

Haha, I just reread through the comments on my last post in this topic and I just can’t overstate how awesome you guys are. It means so much to read stuff like this; cards on the table, I’m a senior in college and right about now I should be getting internships in my field and tbh…I just can’t make myself go do it because I just can’t see myself doing that 5 years from now ya know? Anyways, reading such nice stuff from people who aren’t my friends in real life is super awesome, and I appreciate all of you taking the time to help me/us learn and get better.

Here’s some video from our second show—it’s sloppy…theres even a song where I hadn’t written lyrics for 3 1/2 stanzas before the show…I just BS’d it…poorly—but I’m trying to give myself a license to not be perfect ya know? Lastly, the sound wasn’t great here, but I also just can’t sing that well lol. By all means don’t feel the need to listen to all of these, but I’d love feedback on any of them:

——-brand new/still under construction songs—-

Holy Water:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrxkgGEbL4U

Punk Rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUnySrkI4o

The Song with No Name (This song is totally unfinished, so totally fielding questions/suggestions on lyrics lmao…we probably shouldn’t have played it but whatever haha):
https://youtu.be/DTZuF5ZlFjk

—-originals, but not totally new—

Crazy #####
https://youtu.be/1K9euawzuCI

Dead End
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYU73lp0iww&t

The Fall
https://youtu.be/YJVYt7KXoYY

Friends Wanted
https://youtu.be/vA_C1BFuPVU

—Blink 182 cover if you’re into that kind of thing ;)—
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFK1fe_NBQk

Again, thanks so much for the support, it really does help me more than you know—would love feedback on anything from song material to stage presence! I know we have a long way to go, and me in particular, but for now I’m kinda just glad I haven’t had a panic attack on stage :D

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 12:53 AM

You guys seem to be a very dynamic band, switch hitting on guitars n bass, not afraid to kill the distortion now n then, I like that!! These recordings just make me wish I could really hear you though…... Check out a ZoomH4nPro if you have a little cash to spare, they’re great for live recording and real handy for rough draft stuff! Great energy you guys! :)

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 03:10 AM

Awesome tip! It was just a house show so the sound wasn’t great in general, but that’s an awesome idea and I’ll probably get one of those for the future anyway. Thanks and thanks for listening @japov !

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 06:29 AM

Hey Ethan. That looked like so much fun. I love watching how people respond to live music. Loved the bearded dude in the front with the bobbin’ head and singing along.

In terms of stage presence. You guys are doing great. Stage presence is so important for a band. It’s not just the music. It’s the connection you make. When the sound quality is not great (like you say), how you interact with the crowd is even more important. So, for instance, stuff like you did in the song with no name at 1:31 is great. Even the little shrug at 1:45 while you just sang “nah, nah, nah” in place of your soon to be written awesome lyrics was great crowd interaction. More of that sort of thing if you can.

As for your internship. Careful bud. This industry is pretty cutthroat. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a pretty risky path these days. I know a truckload of successful, up and coming bands that still have day jobs and only a handful that manage full-time music.

Check out Dream Troll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UyBxgTl0wY
These guys get radio play and tour widely in the UK and they all have jobs outside of music.

Or Coridian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JTp0vuB2RI
These guys also get radio play and tour widely in NZ. They open for big bands even, but they all have full time jobs. Their drummer, Kris, gets up early and does all his social media stuff for the band before heading in to work. He’s doing music most nights too. It’s crazy, but music just doesn’t pay well these days so this is what they do for the love of music. I’m not saying it’s a no go, just, don’t be too quick to burn your bridges is all….says the poor musician who burned her bridges.

I’m not endorsing it, in fact I’d advise against it, but if you do decide to focus solely on music, all of the full-time musicians I know take on more than one project to keep the money flowing. One guy I know works 7 days a week. I swear the dude’s a mechanoid. He’s got a regular solo guitar spot on Sundays and Thursdays, a regular spot for his band on Fridays and Saturdays at a nightclub, a session musician for other songwriters as required, one off shows he does every week, and lots of networking. On top of that he finds time to write his own material, record singles for sale, continue to develop his covers library (the solo guitar spot is a covers spot so he needs to be able to take requests—he’s got a catalog of well over 100 songs he plays with ease—bloody ‘ell)...it takes all of that to keep him afloat financially while he builds his career. I’ll say it again…bloody ‘ell

So yeah, if you go that road, be prepared to work your a$$ off (the dollar signs have no significant under-meaning. It’s just me outsmarting the Forum’s ridiculous language sensor).

If that’s the road you wanna travel, then you’ve definitely started the right way by building a local fan base. I love that you focus on playing your own stuff too. If you play more covers than originals, you might get more regular gigs, but you can really back yourself into a corner where you end up being a covers band (not a bad thing, but not really conducive to breaking out of little league).

Whoa. Just realised I’ve written a book here. Sorry ‘bout that, Ethan. You struck a chord with me I guess.

Jen

https://soundcloud.com/jennystokes-nz
http://www.evansandstokes.com

“One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain”
- Bob Marley

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jenny Stokes - 03 April 2018 06:29 AM

Hey Ethan. That looked like so much fun. I love watching how people respond to live music. Loved the bearded dude in the front with the bobbin’ head and singing along.

In terms of stage presence. You guys are doing great. Stage presence is so important for a band. It’s not just the music. It’s the connection you make. When the sound quality is not great (like you say), how you interact with the crowd is even more important. So, for instance, stuff like you did in the song with no name at 1:31 is great. Even the little shrug at 1:45 while you just sang “nah, nah, nah” in place of your soon to be written awesome lyrics was great crowd interaction. More of that sort of thing if you can.

As for your internship. Careful bud. This industry is pretty cutthroat. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a pretty risky path these days. I know a truckload of successful, up and coming bands that still have day jobs and only a handful that manage full-time music.

Check out Dream Troll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UyBxgTl0wY
These guys get radio play and tour widely in the UK and they all have jobs outside of music.

Or Coridian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JTp0vuB2RI
These guys also get radio play and tour widely in NZ. They open for big bands even, but they all have full time jobs. Their drummer, Kris, gets up early and does all his social media stuff for the band before heading in to work. He’s doing music most nights too. It’s crazy, but music just doesn’t pay well these days so this is what they do for the love of music. I’m not saying it’s a no go, just, don’t be too quick to burn your bridges is all….says the poor musician who burned her bridges.

I’m not endorsing it, in fact I’d advise against it, but if you do decide to focus solely on music, all of the full-time musicians I know take on more than one project to keep the money flowing. One guy I know works 7 days a week. I swear the dude’s a mechanoid. He’s got a regular solo guitar spot on Sundays and Thursdays, a regular spot for his band on Fridays and Saturdays at a nightclub, a session musician for other songwriters as required, one off shows he does every week, and lots of networking. On top of that he finds time to write his own material, record singles for sale, continue to develop his covers library (the solo guitar spot is a covers spot so he needs to be able to take requests—he’s got a catalog of well over 100 songs he plays with ease—bloody ‘ell)...it takes all of that to keep him afloat financially while he builds his career. I’ll say it again…bloody ‘ell

So yeah, if you go that road, be prepared to work your a$$ off (the dollar signs have no significant under-meaning. It’s just me outsmarting the Forum’s ridiculous language sensor).

If that’s the road you wanna travel, then you’ve definitely started the right way by building a local fan base. I love that you focus on playing your own stuff too. If you play more covers than originals, you might get more regular gigs, but you can really back yourself into a corner where you end up being a covers band (not a bad thing, but not really conducive to breaking out of little league).

Whoa. Just realised I’ve written a book here. Sorry ‘bout that, Ethan. You struck a chord with me I guess.

Jen

Wow, nice post Jenny. I appreciate that thought and care you put into that. And you know….I mean you’re right. The odds are its a bad idea…but somebody has to be “dumb” enough to actually do it right? Have you ever heard of Patreon? I’m not saying, “Oh well its so simple, all you have to do is this” but its a pretty cool concept meant to help artists supplement their income from streaming and downloads etc. You should check it out! https://www.patreon.com

Did you have any songs that you did or didn’t like? I have my suspicions but its hard to know without unbiased help ya know?

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 04:51 PM
Ethan Murrell - 03 April 2018 11:10 AM

...The odds are its a bad idea…but somebody has to be “dumb” enough to actually do it right? Have you ever heard of Patreon? I’m not saying, “Oh well its so simple, all you have to do is this” but its a pretty cool concept meant to help artists supplement their income from streaming and downloads etc. You should check it out! https://www.patreon.com

Ha. Of course you’re right. Somebody does need “to be ‘dumb’ enough to do it.” I’m just saying be smart about it is all.

Know Patreon. Yup. Very cool concept. It’s a mixed bag in terms of success rates. For every successful campaigner I know, I can name another that was unsuccessful. You have to be willing to put in the time to make it a rewarding experience for your patrons. Of course it’s about talent, but it’s also about public appeal and about about how good you are at schmoozing. So yeah, awesome thing, but lots of work.

Love the energy of Holy Water. I think the intro melody needs a bit of work. The arrangement is great and once the vocal gets going it’s classic Daydream Mayhem.  ;)

Loved the opening line of the song with no name. “Hello Juliet” It totally draws you in. Says “there’s a story to be told here.”

Gotta go. I’ve a song to write this morning.

https://soundcloud.com/jennystokes-nz
http://www.evansandstokes.com

“One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain”
- Bob Marley

 
     
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Apr 03, 2018, 05:42 PM

You guys really know how to rock the joint! I love the fact that there’s a filing cabinet practically on stage with you!

My favorite was “Friends Wanted.” I could make out the vocals on that one, maybe helped by the fact that I know it. (it is on the Songwriter 101 Spotify playlist, folks). I also enjoyed “The Fall,” although the vocals pretty much disappeared on that one.

I agree with Jenny about the stage presence. You guys look really comfortable up there and have a way of putting yourselves across that makes one want to like you. That’s half the battle.

 
     
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May 12, 2018, 02:37 AM

Hey guys I’m sorry I just posted and dipped, lol. School was a pain in the butt the last few weeks (trying to graduate)—but I survived. I hope your song turned out great @jenny stokes! Thanks a bunch @gavin sinclair—I definitely can tell you I do not in any way shape or form feel comfortable up there, but I’m glad it doesn’t show I guess. I still see the nerves when I watch myself back, but maybe it’s just because I know how I felt.

I look forward to being active on the board this summer, please let me know if there’s anything I can do—other than responding as often as possible!

 
     
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Ethan Murrell - 12 May 2018 02:37 AM

Hey guys I’m sorry I just posted and dipped, lol. School was a pain in the butt the last few weeks (trying to graduate)—but I survived. I hope your song turned out great @jenny stokes! Thanks a bunch @gavin sinclair—I definitely can tell you I do not in any way shape or form feel comfortable up there, but I’m glad it doesn’t show I guess. I still see the nerves when I watch myself back, but maybe it’s just because I know how I felt.

I look forward to being active on the board this summer, please let me know if there’s anything I can do—other than responding as often as possible!

Hi Ethan. Welcome back. So have you done it? Graduated I mean.
Thanks, yes, it did come out well. We’ve released it as a single though it’s part of a larger story we’re telling about a Pharaoh by the name of Hatshepsut. Weird stuff. Check it out. The video is the one at the top of our home page.  http://www.evansandstokes.com/

https://soundcloud.com/jennystokes-nz
http://www.evansandstokes.com

“One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain”
- Bob Marley

 
     
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May 12, 2018, 04:17 AM
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Ethan Murrell - 12 May 2018 02:37 AM

Hey guys I’m sorry I just posted and dipped, lol. School was a pain in the butt the last few weeks (trying to graduate)—but I survived. I hope your song turned out great @jenny stokes! Thanks a bunch @gavin sinclair—I definitely can tell you I do not in any way shape or form feel comfortable up there, but I’m glad it doesn’t show I guess. I still see the nerves when I watch myself back, but maybe it’s just because I know how I felt.

I look forward to being active on the board this summer, please let me know if there’s anything I can do—other than responding as often as possible!

Hi Ethan. Welcome back. So have you done it? Graduated I mean.
Thanks, yes, it did come out well. We’ve released it as a single though it’s part of a larger story we’re telling about a Pharaoh by the name of Hatshepsut. Weird stuff. Check it out. The video is the one at the top of our home page.  http://www.evansandstokes.com/

Nope; one more semester. I should have this semester, but I transferred and college is drenched in bureaucracy…fortunately I’m done with my major classes (Economics…i know lol), and next semester I have only minor classes. So I get to take songwriting guitar, an artist management practicum, self distribution in the music industry, and something else. Should be interesting.

I’ve gotta know how you made that video! I hadn’t heard your stuff before, but my bass player loves this kind of heavier stuff—I’ll have to show her. It actually reminds me (conceptually) of one my favorite bands “Bad Books” song called Pyotr. It’s a song written about Peter the Great of Russia and how his wife cheated on him and Pyotr apparently had the dude’s head cut off and put in a f*cking museum for his wife to pass by every day!

I think telling stories about old people like that can be such a refreshing break from the typical songwriting material!

 
     
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